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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 445 40 30th of April 2017

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richardsaunders here with you from a

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delightful warm sunny Sydney Australia

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beside me here on the mixing desk is

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she is a just sort of lying there

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helping me pointing things out operating

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the levels this week aren't you

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Henrietta mmm-hmm coming up on this

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week's skeptic zone we're going to kick

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off with an interview with an old

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skeptical buddy of mine Ben Radford all

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the way from Albuquerque New Mexico Ben

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has a new podcast yes there's a new

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skeptical podcast in town squaring the

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strange and when it comes to skeptical

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experience hands-on investigation Ben

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Radford is your man he brings a wealth

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of knowledge to the podcast two brand

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new podcasts only a few episodes out so

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far we're going to find out all about it

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and about Ben's next book about ghost

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hunting from a skeptical point of view

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that's Ben Radford to kick off this

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week's skeptic zone following that it's

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brouhaha science from Australia science

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TV with Kelly Wong this week Kelly is

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going to be telling us about the um some

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of you may have seen this a lamb a lamb

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growing in a faker or an artificial like

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uterus Wow interesting stuff and what

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are the potential repercussions or

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advantages for premature babies

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that's brouhaha coming up a bit later on

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then a slightly different sort of report

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archives of The Sydney Morning Herald

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newspaper now it's really it's really

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fantastic that these things slowly bit

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searchable and we're going to be looking

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about Jane

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Randi's visit here in the year 1980

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famous water dividing tests and was also

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show where the host Don Lane who also

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like arugula and the long since deceased

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very annoyed and kicked him off so that

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audio clip of a news report of the time

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made that the day after James Randi was

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kicked off the Don Lane show so news and

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show we catch up with Maynard and Tim

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Ferguson the award-winning Maynard and

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Tim Ferguson and we're going to find out

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what they've been up to since winning

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the Castaway podcast Awards a few weeks

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played a clip of um may not accepting

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the the prize there the first prize the

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winning prize I don't know what you say

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the winner is for his planet may not

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podcasts including bunga bunga so we

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of friends I've made over the years I

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convention as a whole but really I'm

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we're sort of the old classic tag

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that convention more about that coming

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promoting that as I do any skeptical

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pub and this week promises to be very

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interesting the guest is a chiropractor

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chiropractic this should make very

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interesting night I'll put a link on the

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free for all just come along at the

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Occidental new winded station but now

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it's time for me to kick Henriette the

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cat off the mixing desk now she's gone

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cats do that they suddenly disappear and

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they suddenly reappear so for me to then

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and see if I have some vegetable soup

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that I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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and joining me now all the way from that

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famous spot made famous of course by

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left from Albuquerque New Mexico

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it's my old skeptical friend and comrade

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in investigations Ben Radford hello Ben

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hello the rich are great to talk to you

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yes it's been a little while since

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you've been on the skipping zone I'm

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going to kick off straight away folks by

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saying that I'm really cutting my own

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throat here you know in talking to Ben

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because we're going to be promoting his

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probably take all the listeners away

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from me well I don't know about that

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there there's there's there's more than

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enough hours in the day to listen to

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everybody well I certainly hope so but

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if they had to go somewhere I'd be

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pleased if they go to your new podcast

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it's called squaring the strange I'm

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just looking at the website now which is

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squaring the strange WordPress comment

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website it is my goodness me I'll have

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this website please tell me all about

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this new podcast and tell me about your

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co-hosts I will I will thank you yes I'm

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pretty excited about it

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my co-host is a guy named Pasquale

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romero who I've known for several years

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and he's also a podcast veteran he was

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here in New Mexico and so we just sort

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people encouraging me to sort of get

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the the arrangement that we have is the

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he'll he'll take care of the heavy

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fact is the huge banner done in a green

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sort of mysterious and you've got

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monsters behind you and know there's

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that they're they're still around in a

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bit it was on it as you know about a

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despite despite sideways glances to the

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contrary I was not behind the creepy

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clown scares it the circulated around

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the world despite what some skeptics may

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states and in fact you know around the

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world tonight there were even some in

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mini-series by Tim Tim Curry so that is

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that's soon to be out and that will of

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Sydney radio it eludes me it was

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craze and I think you and I had a chat

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at the time and we were saying that

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these things come and go it can't be too

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long before everybody forgets about evil

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clowns and starts concentrating on the

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next fad or craze yes definitely uh and

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happened after Halloween is sort of

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faded away although you know as I wrote

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clown scares they're they're the

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recurring events and so uh you know that

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the fact is that we have not seen the

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last of these evil clowns I guarantee

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you that this next Halloween there will

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be there will be at least a few

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sightings of scary clowns just sort of

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approaching what we saw last year but

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you know people being what they are and

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people enjoying attention as much as

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they do there sure enough they're sure

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to be a few miscreants out there who are

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happy to Don the greasepaint and scare

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people I'm sure that's going to be

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what I'm lined up for later tonight

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bring the craze back now let's get back

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to this podcast so I just having a quick

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look again at the site I notice you have

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three episodes out already first episode

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hi hello hoaxes second episode what we

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are skeptical about and the third one

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psychic so are you intending to more or

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less stick to the tried and true

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skeptical themes or are you going to

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look further afield well you know that

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that's an interesting question you know

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when I when we're talking about doing

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the podcast you know I was very aware

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that there's you know there's four

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honestly there's too many podcasts and I

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I don't mean that in a bad way there's

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just there's just such a wide variety in

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the course just exploded and even you

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know that the

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the The Skeptical podcasts you know

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there's so many there's so many of them

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out there many of them excellent yours

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yours included and of course there's you

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know Sharon Hill has a 15 credibility

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Street and St you and and skepticality

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they're just just so much stuff out

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there and so you know I didn't want to I

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didn't want to reinvent the wheel and so

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it was important to Pasquale and I that

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we try and do something different and

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find a find a niche and um you know

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that's sort of what uh you know Blake

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Smith and I originally did with with

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monster talk which of course want a

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parsec at one point we found a niche

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that wasn't really being served and then

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and then sort of delve into that and so

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what we're trying to do with new podcast

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is um is sort of go beyond just the the

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it's not just about monsters or ghosts

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or chupacabras or conspiracy theories

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but it's is we want to go broader than

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that and so uh you know I'll be talking

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and we'll be talking about about the

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news media and and really apparent

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applying skepticism and critical

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thinking uh much more broadly than then

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is often the case with a lot of

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skeptical podcast and so that's sort of

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the the angle we wanted to go with um

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you know bringing in psychology myths

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and folklore and science and and all

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these different angles to it uh that

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that that that were there were sort of

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you know maybe maybe missing from from

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some of the public discourse and what is

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the format of your show is it just like

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a fireside chat or do you have reports

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how does that work well we're basically

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we have it's a it's a fairly simple form

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we're still sort of hammering out the

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details as you noted we're still in the

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first half dozen episodes yeah we're

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we're you know we're trying to we don't

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have the the polished delivery that you

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do and and Maynard every time I see

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Maynard number one I just I just love

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his face because it looks like it was

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just done by caricature um but you two

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are just such entertainers oh just

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jealous of your skills but basically

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that the format of the show is we begin

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each show by asking each other what were

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skeptical of recently or that

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and we don't we don't discuss it with

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the other person at a time so and that

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actually Pasquale lives list fairly near

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here and so we can actually go into the

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studio together and you know we don't

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want to spend too much time on it but

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maybe five or ten minutes and if there's

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something relatively recent that's been

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occurring over the past few days or a

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week or so we sort of you know bring

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that up um and and again not necessarily

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something that you would think of as as

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as you know down the mainstream

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skeptical angle so it might not it may

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or may not have ghosts or psychic

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detectives whatever else it could be

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something much broader like for example

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in the media and then the second part of

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the show is sort of the need of it and

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that's where we sort of dig deeper into

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into a specific topic that may be

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anywhere from maybe 20 minutes to 40

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minutes or an hour depending on on where

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we go with it and and sometimes we might

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be talking for example about about

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psyche detectives we recently just taped

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a two-part series on Jamaican folklore

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hmm I was recently recently in Jamaica

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and so I I had a fun time relating some

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of the research that I done both in in

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archives and also on the ground in

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Jamaica talking about ghost stories and

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duppy stories and these interesting

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Island folklore that that I'd looked

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into and so sort of dig deeper into that

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and then we have a couple sort of

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smaller throwaway things that we have we

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have something that we call fan mail

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which is not always fan mail

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in fact often it's crank mail uh-huh but

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you know it's all it's all in good fun

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and every now and then we read a

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listeners

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question or whatever else and we may

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throw a pop quiz or two so it's it's a

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weekly show and we just hope the people

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will sort of get into it and enjoy it

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I'm sure they will a wiggly show you

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fool get out why it's why you still get

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weekly show oh boy they welcome to the

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world of weekly a podcasting and that's

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a lot of fun now I'm really looking for

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I've only just discovered this myself

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too much to my shame I should have been

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more on top of these matters

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but I'm certainly going to indulge

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myself over the next few days and enjoy

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the the first few episodes of of your

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show because apart from anything else

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it's nice to know that you're back on

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the air because your wealth of skeptical

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knowledge gained at your great age by

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now I should add I mean what are you 92

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thank you very no I mean that in in

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wisdom of course we are skeptical which

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there must be equal to 92

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I'll only reach my prune juice here

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there we go go ahead you feel better now

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shall I do it'll take a while to kick in

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but I'll be fine

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shall I speak up but is it alright now

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let's let so yes sir that's very

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exciting I'm very pleased oh by the way

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I noticed you can listen to the episodes

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right off the website is that also that

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show also on something like iTunes or

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something like that it is it's on iTunes

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it's on the website and we do have a

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patreon set up in case people want to

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support the the show initially that

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there was a little bit of support from

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the Center for inquiry and that may or

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may not be continuing but certainly as

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of now it's just it's mostly a labor of

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love and we appreciate any any listeners

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or feedback or reviews or anything we

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can get well I'm sure people will be

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having a look and more importantly

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having a listen very soon in fact folks

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why don't I play just a moment of the

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podcast now to give you a flavour

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[Music]

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welcome to squaring the strange or apply

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critical thinking and Evans its analysis

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to well everything from the simple to

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the strange the mysterious to the

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[Music]

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welcome to squaring the strange

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I'm Pasquale Romero and with me as

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always is Ben Radford and we are here on

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the first episode the maiden voyage of

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squaring the strange so I figure best

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thing we can do right now is introduce

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ourselves so Ben who are you who is Ben

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Radford what makes you tick why are you

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in my house in my studio you weirdo

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yeah I'm Ben Radford I'm a writer I'm

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also the deputy editor for skeptical

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inquirer science magazine which is of

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course published by the Center for

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inquiry i i've probably best known for

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doing investigations into all manner of

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weirdness ranging from chupacabras to

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crop circles and ghosts evil clowns

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oddly enough I've become an expert world

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extra on evil clowns over the past year

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or so actually one year ago so that's a

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little taste of squaring the strange it

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sounds great not as I say I haven't

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heard all the show yet but I look

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forward to doing that that'll be my next

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podcast on the list but more skeptical

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adventures await with Ben Radford Ben

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what's this about a ghost book a ghost

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book ghosts book yes yes ah my my next

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book my 11th book yeah but who's

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counting is on investigating ghosts and

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it's sort of a follow up to a book that

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I did about Oh probably five years ago

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at this point called scientific peer

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investigation how to solve unexplained

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mysteries and in that book I you know I

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cover a pretty broad array of claims and

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how to investigate them ranging from

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crop circles to lake monsters and ghosts

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and psychics and this and that and the

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other and it was it was a mildly

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successful book I'm happy with it and

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you know many people have sort of

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pointed to it as being helpful to them

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when doing their own investigations on

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I'm quite proud of it but I I realized

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that the after a while that ghosts are a

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really unique topic on that there's so

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much that's specific to ghost

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investigation particularly that wasn't

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really covered

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in my book just because I couldn't I was

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necessarily broad some covering a lot of

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different things uh and so I realized

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you know Here I am I done many many

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ghost investigations firsthand and

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researched it in the psychology and the

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forensics and all sorts of things and I

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realized that you know I had all this

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material much of which we hadn't been

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published before and so I decided to go

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ahead and compile that material and add

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to it of course uh and and put out a

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book specifically on on ghosts and

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ghosts investigating and and so you know

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there there's plenty of books on ghosts

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from a believer point of view and

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there's lots of ghosts on ano ghost

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stories and ghost folklore um but

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there's no real there's no as far as I

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know there's no real books on ghost

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hunting specifically hmm from a

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skeptical point of view and Joe Nichols

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done a book and Massimo pulled or and

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others but but none on on specifically

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on on the history of ghost haunting the

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right ways the wrong ways in the

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phenomenology and that's what I wanted

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to sort of put out there and so that's

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that's what my next book is out and and

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hopefully it'll be out around September

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October does it have a title ah it does

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the title is investigating ghosts the

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scientific search for spirits that

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sounds great I will put my hand up my

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name down and my foot down for an early

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copy of that for review that sounds

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really good I like that old stuff you

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know I in fact not so long ago and

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skeptics own fans may remember a couple

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months ago here on the show that we did

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a live report or a field report from a

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ghost tour here in Sydney I still liked

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all that sort of graveyard sort of

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creeping around ghosty sort of stuff

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it's good it's good old-fashioned

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skepticism isn't it it really is and and

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you know that's that's one thing I like

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about it is it's such a it's such a

540
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:15,990
classic mystery you know not everybody

541
00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:19,020
believes in Bigfoot or Yowies or or drop

542
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:22,470
bears or psychics but but ghosts are

543
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:24,570
another matter I mean ghosts are among

544
00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:26,280
the most widely believed to paranormal

545
00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:29,910
topics in the world um and of course the

546
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:32,790
the the search for spirits in one form

547
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,240
another go

548
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:35,520
was back centuries you look you can look

549
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:37,890
at you know the the Society for

550
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:40,470
psychical research in England and you

551
00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:42,690
you know you Sofia Palladino and Harriet

552
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,340
price and you know there's other people

553
00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:46,980
and so that there really is a really

554
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:49,950
fascinating robust history of ghost

555
00:23:54,410 --> 00:23:52,410
investigation per se and it's really

556
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:54,420
interesting to go back and look at that

557
00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:56,910
sort of see how that has informed modern

558
00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:59,370
ghost hunting both good and bad

559
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:01,860
Wow that's again it sounds like

560
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:04,770
something that should be on on the list

561
00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:06,780
on The Skeptical reading list as soon as

562
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,160
it comes out folks

563
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:10,890
once again the podcast is squaring the

564
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:13,410
strange it's even good eights own

565
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:16,310
Facebook site you can check that out

566
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:19,290
it's just a fun show you know Pasquale

567
00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:21,570
and i are together on it and we also

568
00:24:26,530 --> 00:24:23,550
have a great artist friend of mine

569
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:26,540
Celestia Ward and she serves as a

570
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:29,970
Content producer so she helps pull it

571
00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:32,730
together and it's uh it's you know we're

572
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:35,310
we're pleased to have have I think over

573
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:37,710
500 downloads so far just in the first

574
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:40,290
few weeks and you know we're just gonna

575
00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:41,850
keep putting it out there and we hope

576
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:42,660
that people enjoy it

577
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:44,370
well Celestia's well known to the

578
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:46,020
skeptics are because she was actually

579
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:48,230
did a field report for us last week and

580
00:24:54,050 --> 00:24:51,900
she also did the caricatures that may

581
00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:54,060
not and I use on our business cards so

582
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:57,060
another another big shout out to her

583
00:25:01,640 --> 00:24:59,400
she's one of the best caricature artists

584
00:25:04,610 --> 00:25:01,650
I I've ever met it is just fantastic

585
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,620
stuff she is excellent she's excellent

586
00:25:11,650 --> 00:25:07,440
and yeah I mean to be fair I mean you

587
00:25:13,940 --> 00:25:11,660
know caricature a main art I mean it's

588
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:13,950
where do you go with that right it's

589
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,340
just God's gift to character and I mean

590
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
that in the in the most loving in the in

591
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:21,840
a very nice way of course all good stuff

592
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:24,330
coming from Ben Radford folks check it

593
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,520
out its squaring the strange in that

594
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:28,740
Facebook pages there waiting for you and

595
00:25:33,740 --> 00:25:30,810
the website of course is squaring the

596
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,750
strange not WordPress calm been

597
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,360
wonderful to catch up with you again

598
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:38,480
I've never made it to Albuquerque yet

599
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:41,730
but the day can't be too far away I hope

600
00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:43,890
maybe in the next couple of years I

601
00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:45,750
might be able to find myself there and I

602
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:46,950
hope one day you can fight

603
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:48,690
yourself here in Sydney Australia and we

604
00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:51,570
can go out Yowie hunting I would love to

605
00:25:56,419 --> 00:25:52,830
I would love to I've always had a

606
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,429
fondness for for Australia and and I

607
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,860
would I'd love to come see the the

608
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:01,080
continent sometime and and just meet all

609
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,159
the wonderful people there have many

610
00:26:07,370 --> 00:26:04,740
many great friends and people who just

611
00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:07,380
have fallen in love with it so hopefully

612
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:09,750
one day we'll start rowing now it's not

613
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:13,740
that far I'll see what I can do my my

614
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,940
arms are tired already

615
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:16,679
man Redford all the way from Albuquerque

616
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:21,080
New Mexico thank you very much thanks

617
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:32,970
[Music]

618
00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,370
calling all skeptics or listeners do you

619
00:26:41,070 --> 00:26:38,740
live and or near Glasgow or are you

620
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:41,080
planning to visit something then you're

621
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:43,450
in luck because the Glasgow skeptics

622
00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:46,690
I've got your Monday nights sorted we

623
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,860
are committed to filling up every

624
00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:50,559
available Monday night talks on science

625
00:26:55,770 --> 00:26:53,230
and skepticism past speakers include

626
00:26:58,020 --> 00:26:55,780
Eugenie Scott jelly coin maker Marshall

627
00:27:01,320 --> 00:26:58,030
NEET Phelps Tom and Cecil from cognitive

628
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:01,330
dissonance PZ Myers Richard Wiseman AC

629
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:03,490
drilling nor Heath and Eli from the

630
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:06,010
scathing atheist Simon Singh Rebecca

631
00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:08,290
Watson and a multitude of local

632
00:27:12,990 --> 00:27:11,140
academics and skeptics there's literally

633
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:13,000
nothing better you can do on a Monday

634
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,070
night in Glasgow that doesn't involve

635
00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:17,440
taking your clothes off so come join us

636
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:19,390
we've also got a vibrant online

637
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:21,550
community you can find us on Facebook

638
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:23,350
Twitter and get involved with the

639
00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:26,410
discussion glasgow skeptics self-help

640
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:28,100
for your brain

641
00:27:43,780 --> 00:27:33,250
[Music]

642
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:43,790
and now direct from the cafe at

643
00:27:52,990 --> 00:27:45,710
Australia's Science Channel

644
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:53,000
it's brouhaha with Kelly Wang the most

645
00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:55,040
incredible thing I've seen this week is

646
00:27:59,890 --> 00:27:57,700
a lamb growing inside an artificial room

647
00:28:02,620 --> 00:27:59,900
researchers in the US have used a buy

648
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:02,630
bag to replicate a room full of amniotic

649
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:05,750
fluids to develop a premature lamb it

650
00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:06,980
might seem like something from the

651
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:09,470
matrix but this is just a step towards

652
00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:11,000
giving premature human babies of

653
00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:14,179
fighting chance if you think about it

654
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:15,950
it's just the next step up when the

655
00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:18,530
incubators we use currently when they do

656
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:20,420
use this for the first time on a preemie

657
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:22,670
baby it's going to be a big mouthful for

658
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:24,890
science but it's going to be an even

659
00:28:30,390 --> 00:28:27,460
bigger emotional milestone for Humanity

660
00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:30,400
think about how you reacted to this land

661
00:28:35,730 --> 00:28:33,800
imagine if it was a human baby are you

662
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,740
going to be ready for that visual

663
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,240
but then what about further in the

664
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:40,880
future will this form a new class of

665
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:43,480
ex-vivo humans or become the new normal

666
00:28:47,650 --> 00:28:45,770
could they eventually add an extra

667
00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:47,660
supplement into the artificial womb and

668
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,620
create super babies with superpowers or

669
00:28:55,660 --> 00:28:53,600
more realistically imagine if you could

670
00:28:59,290 --> 00:28:55,670
get all your vaccinations before you

671
00:29:01,120 --> 00:28:59,300
were born he knows what could happen but

672
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:01,130
what it definitely will do is give this

673
00:29:05,410 --> 00:29:02,900
fragile premies a chance at life and

674
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:05,420
there is plenty to think about until

675
00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:11,320
for more brouhaha and australian science

676
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:31,820
ed 4ww australia science TV as mentioned

677
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:33,890
on the skeptic zone of the last few

678
00:29:38,590 --> 00:29:36,170
weeks and this is going to be stretching

679
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:38,600
on and well for a good part of this year

680
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:39,890
I think I've been doing a lot of

681
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:42,860
skeptical research diving into the

682
00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:45,740
archives looking mostly for predictions

683
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,070
and then doing some research to see

684
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:50,960
whether psychic predictions over the

685
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:52,970
last 17 years or so have actually come

686
00:29:59,790 --> 00:29:56,830
true but along the way of course I have

687
00:30:03,000 --> 00:29:59,800
come across many many many articles

688
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,010
relating to skeptics and skepticism

689
00:30:08,530 --> 00:30:05,600
paranormal that sort of thing and I

690
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:08,540
thought I would read out a couple of

691
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:11,660
them here and this one I'll begin with

692
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:16,790
comes from 1980-1982 way back from the

693
00:30:22,650 --> 00:30:18,860
Sydney Morning Herald but why this is

694
00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:22,660
important is this is a review of the

695
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:26,360
documentary James Randi in Australia the

696
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:28,400
request of dick Smith James Randi flew

697
00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:31,130
to Australia to conduct a series of

698
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:34,060
water divining tests now the documentary

699
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:38,570
which this article alludes to has been

700
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:42,860
on YouTube now for many years I I found

701
00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:46,660
a copy on a video cassette tape

702
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:50,020
2001-2002 something like that and I

703
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:53,030
digitized it fix it up a little bit and

704
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:55,310
we put that out these tests are very

705
00:31:00,370 --> 00:30:57,710
important because it was one of the

706
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:00,380
reasons that one of the motivating

707
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:02,150
factors that led to the formation of

708
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:04,970
Australian skeptics so the article which

709
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:07,130
has a huge picture of an imposing James

710
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:10,430
Randi taking the mystique out of the

711
00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:13,070
magical James Randi in Australia eighty

712
00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:15,740
and seven that stands for Australian

713
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:17,950
television network Wednesday 8:00 p.m.

714
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:21,940
previewed by Gary Shelley James Randi

715
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:24,100
a psychic investigator from New York

716
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:26,470
does not believe in Santa Claus the

717
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:27,100
tooth fairy

718
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:30,490
or the Easter Bunny Court there is not

719
00:31:34,590 --> 00:31:32,530
enough evidence to support their

720
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:34,600
existence end quote says the magician

721
00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:38,260
who is not entirely human Asst mr. Randy

722
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:40,300
scoffs at any form of paranormal

723
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,390
behavior from the bending of spoons 2d

724
00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:46,000
searching for water by divining rod he

725
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:49,060
wants to quote expose people who go out

726
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:51,430
of their way to defraud others and quote

727
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:53,740
at the same time he would love to

728
00:31:58,290 --> 00:31:55,720
believe that these people could prove

729
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:58,300
their supernatural powers scientifically

730
00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:01,240
the name James Randi might ring a bell

731
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:03,460
to many viewers he was the gentleman

732
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:07,630
whom dawn Lane told to get lost in

733
00:32:13,550 --> 00:32:11,020
liquefied form when he exposed Uri

734
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:13,560
Geller and Doris Stokes as frauds live

735
00:32:18,450 --> 00:32:16,150
mr. Randy was brought to Australia by

736
00:32:20,970 --> 00:32:18,460
dick Smith in an attempt to prove or

737
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:20,980
disprove the validity of water diviners

738
00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:23,950
and psychic surgeons in the programme

739
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:25,660
the investigator explains the

740
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:29,050
skullduggery and shiki nuri exercised by

741
00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:30,910
the psychic surgeons in the Philippines

742
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:33,820
whose hands fumble in and out of

743
00:32:38,670 --> 00:32:36,160
stomachs of patients who pay thousands

744
00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:38,680
of dollars for treatment it is not a

745
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:41,160
pretty sight as Randy demonstrates on a

746
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:44,410
bewildered human guinea pig with sleight

747
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:46,990
of hand he appears to draw out pieces of

748
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:49,570
the man's innards but they are only a

749
00:32:54,810 --> 00:32:52,450
handful of chicken livers water diviners

750
00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:54,820
also bear the brunt of mr. Randy's

751
00:33:01,020 --> 00:32:57,580
expose he conducts some experiments to

752
00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:01,030
test their extraordinary gift with a

753
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:04,420
reward of $30,000 for any person who can

754
00:33:10,260 --> 00:33:07,840
scientifically prove their powers each

755
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:10,270
worden diviner claimed to have unlimited

756
00:33:15,780 --> 00:33:12,820
success in the craft and many make a

757
00:33:17,670 --> 00:33:15,790
good living from the man on the land one

758
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:17,680
codger was certain the test would be

759
00:33:23,550 --> 00:33:20,440
quote easier than gettin in and out of

760
00:33:26,190 --> 00:33:23,560
bed unquote the experiment arranged in

761
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:26,200
true showbusiness fashion had the

762
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:29,230
Reverend Ted nafse and a priest Father

763
00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:33,130
Drake as official judges however God was

764
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:34,840
not on the side of James Randi in dick

765
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:35,670
Smith because

766
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:37,710
both religious men actually believe in

767
00:33:42,890 --> 00:33:40,440
water divining as well as divining for

768
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:42,900
water tests were made in the search for

769
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:45,930
brass and gold objects out of a hundred

770
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,420
and eleven attempts only 15 were

771
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:51,120
successful an average of about eleven

772
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,630
percent but not one merited the prize

773
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:57,720
which is still up for grabs James Randi

774
00:34:02,660 --> 00:33:59,370
is convinced that the movement of the

775
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:02,670
divining or dowsing rods is manipulated

776
00:34:08,150 --> 00:34:04,920
by the imagination or wishful thinking

777
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,160
of the person operating it quote there

778
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:10,320
is an enormous amount of harm in

779
00:34:13,370 --> 00:34:10,890
deception

780
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,380
unquote he said he gave as an example

781
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:16,260
the Jonestown master side in Guiana

782
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,370
they're the total belief in one man his

783
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:22,740
charisma and power was so overwhelming

784
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:26,030
meant that death was the only salvation

785
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:29,520
which I am sure is more than James Randi

786
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:32,310
can say for Don Lane and less than a

787
00:34:36,380 --> 00:34:33,720
week later in The Sydney Morning Herald

788
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:36,390
another article appears about James

789
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:39,750
Randi published on the 17th of October

790
00:34:43,220 --> 00:34:40,530
1980

791
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:43,230
Randy's awake up to tricks of mediums

792
00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:45,720
James Randi the magician who made Don

793
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:47,880
Lane disappear used to be one of the

794
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:51,060
psychic phonies pnow debunks he had a

795
00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:54,179
telepathy act that made him a star but

796
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:56,340
when the straw parents started pleading

797
00:35:01,280 --> 00:34:58,530
with him to find their lost children he

798
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:01,290
gave it away quote I couldn't live with

799
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,210
that kind of lie in quote Randi explain

800
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:05,760
later quote so I went back to conjuring

801
00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:07,890
rabbits and quote and he started

802
00:35:12,980 --> 00:35:10,080
crusading against the fakes and Liars

803
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:12,990
who posed as mediums and faith healers

804
00:35:18,590 --> 00:35:15,330
to make fortunes at the expense of human

805
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,600
grief Randi was 15 when he attended his

806
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:21,780
first spiritualist meeting quote I saw

807
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:23,850
all the country tricks magicians use I

808
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:26,790
saw the little old ladies being taken in

809
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:29,580
by it end quote he said quote I thought

810
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,130
one day I am going to have enough

811
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:33,900
authority to expose these people in

812
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:37,050
quote these days Randi one of America's

813
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,710
top magicians has that authority on the

814
00:35:45,350 --> 00:35:42,720
Don Lane show last week he criticized

815
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:45,360
spoon bender Uri Geller and Doris Stokes

816
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:48,570
the ubiquitous grandmotherly medium who

817
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:49,570
claims to community

818
00:35:55,710 --> 00:35:52,840
beyond the grave Lane who has several

819
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,720
times had mrs. Stokes on his show lept

820
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,020
heartily to her defense

821
00:36:03,810 --> 00:36:00,640
finally sweeping Randy's props from the

822
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:03,820
table Lane told the magician to pee

823
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:07,390
dot-dot-dot off then abracadabra

824
00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:10,170
the comedian stormed off his own show

825
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:13,420
challenge it wasn't exactly the best

826
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:17,200
example of the lanky Yanks wit indeed

827
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:19,420
Randy himself tends to be funnier

828
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:22,150
he has compared Doris Stokes with Santa

829
00:36:27,210 --> 00:36:23,470
Claus the Tooth Fairy and the Easter

830
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:27,220
Bunny and he issued her with a rare

831
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:29,890
challenge a wrestling match to the death

832
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:33,580
nude in mud not surprisingly mrs. Stokes

833
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:35,830
found the offer once she could refuse

834
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:38,790
more to the point though she has also

835
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:41,470
resisted invitations to perform her

836
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:44,350
calling up the dead act under Randy's

837
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:47,710
relentless gaze randy was brought to

838
00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:49,650
Australia by three well-known skeptics

839
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:51,880
electronics millionaire dick Smith

840
00:36:56,850 --> 00:36:54,250
writer Philip Adams and TV current

841
00:36:59,640 --> 00:36:56,860
affairs reporter Richard Carlton his

842
00:37:02,280 --> 00:36:59,650
original brief was to pour cold water on

843
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:02,290
water and metal diviners which he

844
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:04,030
succeeded in doing without attracting

845
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:07,210
the publicity he had hoped for Randy and

846
00:37:11,610 --> 00:37:10,780
his three backers offered $40,000 for

847
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:11,620
any diviner

848
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:13,960
who could find hidden water brass and

849
00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:16,600
bars of gold all 10 entrants failed

850
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,270
recording a success rate of just 11

851
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:21,760
percent yet the tests were virtually

852
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:24,700
unreported in the media as Randy put it

853
00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:26,890
quote if Hitler is alive and well in

854
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:29,800
Argentina it's a story if he's dead and

855
00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:35,440
gone no story and quote bends spoons the

856
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:38,260
52 year old Canadian born magician has

857
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:40,540
written three books two of them the

858
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,180
magic of Uri Geller and flim-flam the

859
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:45,520
truth about unicorns parapsychology and

860
00:37:50,940 --> 00:37:48,700
other delusions claims to expose the

861
00:37:53,310 --> 00:37:50,950
slights of hand used by those who claim

862
00:37:55,620 --> 00:37:53,320
to have supernatural power one of his

863
00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:55,630
acts is to bend spoons the way Geller

864
00:38:00,750 --> 00:37:58,420
did by illusion not by the power of the

865
00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:00,760
mind he claims his strange encounter

866
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:03,340
with Don lanes was a setup

867
00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:05,650
Lane's ratings have depended a good deal

868
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:08,140
on people like Doris Stokes I think

869
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:10,630
she's a favorite of his and he believed

870
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:13,570
I was attacking her which she just Lee

871
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:16,570
deserves to be and quote Randi flew back

872
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:18,370
to the United States on Wednesday still

873
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:20,410
puzzled at the way Australians have

874
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:23,470
taken to mrs. Stokes but his experience

875
00:38:28,620 --> 00:38:26,020
hasn't affected his sense of humor

876
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:28,630
indeed we spent almost as much time

877
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:30,970
taking the mickey out of his friend Dick

878
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:33,070
Smith hearing of the eccentric

879
00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:35,170
millionaires plans to retrace Scott's

880
00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:37,630
path across the Antarctic Randi our

881
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,150
Smith quote will you drop electronic

882
00:38:44,580 --> 00:38:42,190
toilet seats for them men quote and

883
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:44,590
seeing Smith having his photograph taken

884
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:48,130
again Randi noted dryly quote dick gets

885
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:50,890
his tan from strobes and flashlights men

886
00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:53,590
quote and now he skimmed forward to the

887
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:55,960
9th of November 1980 an article in The

888
00:39:02,910 --> 00:38:59,050
Sydney Morning Herald by Don Groves when

889
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:02,920
seeing isn't believing Don Lane and

890
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:05,290
believers in the divining rod spoon

891
00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:07,450
bending and psychic surgery should watch

892
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:10,180
the special James Randi in Australia

893
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:13,240
quote paranormal nonsense claptrap and

894
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,740
flummery and quote says mr. Randy Yazzie

895
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:19,420
convincingly demonstrates how easily

896
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:21,910
people can fool the more gullible among

897
00:39:26,820 --> 00:39:23,800
us and themselves

898
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:26,830
mr. Lane should watch channel 7 at 7:30

899
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:29,830
on Wednesday night to hear the cogent

900
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:32,890
arguments he would not allow mr. Randy

901
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:36,040
to expound on his show devotees of the

902
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:38,950
lain program will recall the evening the

903
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:41,560
compare had the ill grace to swear at

904
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:43,750
his guest then storm off the set after

905
00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:46,690
Randy had raised doubts about Doris

906
00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:49,840
Stokes whom he calls quote the granny

907
00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:52,840
who he is dead people talking to her end

908
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:53,320
quote

909
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:55,510
in the statement issued through his

910
00:40:01,080 --> 00:39:57,910
Australian sponsor Nick Smith the

911
00:40:05,330 --> 00:40:01,090
scientist says he certain lanes actions

912
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:05,340
were a quote calculated set up and quote

913
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:08,110
randy says he doesn't believe in Santa

914
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:09,880
Claus the Easter Bunny and the Tooth

915
00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:12,550
Fairy for the same reason he can't cop

916
00:40:16,859 --> 00:40:15,480
ESP spoon bending in the rest

917
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:16,869
insufficient ever

918
00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:19,930
and just as an aside from me

919
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,789
it's interesting the use of this term

920
00:40:27,779 --> 00:40:23,920
ESP as I've been going through the

921
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:27,789
archives all these years there is a an

922
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:31,569
odd sort of line a border in time where

923
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:36,160
before this vague time maybe in the late

924
00:40:44,299 --> 00:40:41,680
70s early 80s the term ESP was used to

925
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:44,309
cover just about everything paranormal

926
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:47,049
that is morph that is evolved now

927
00:40:54,479 --> 00:40:50,109
instead of ESP the most common term is

928
00:40:57,509 --> 00:40:54,489
psychic so instead of this person has

929
00:40:59,519 --> 00:40:57,519
ESP powers the term now would be this

930
00:41:02,519 --> 00:40:59,529
person as a psychic but certainly when I

931
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,529
was growing up ESP was the popular term

932
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:04,960
which is of course extrasensory

933
00:41:11,579 --> 00:41:08,559
perception we read on his evidence in

934
00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:11,589
the doubting Thomas view places all

935
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:14,589
things paranormal firmly in the Easter

936
00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:17,410
Bunny class there would be a pity if he

937
00:41:22,259 --> 00:41:19,900
lost most of his viewers in the first

938
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:22,269
few minutes as he appeared to remove a

939
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:24,460
quantity of blood and guts from a

940
00:41:31,049 --> 00:41:27,700
willing victim stomach it isn't psychic

941
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:31,059
surgery but sleight of hand by a similar

942
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:33,690
trick he bends spoons in the slickest

943
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:36,670
faster than the eye uri geller fashioned

944
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:39,460
the clincher takes place in a field in

945
00:41:45,569 --> 00:41:42,430
ride another a side ride as a Sydney

946
00:41:47,819 --> 00:41:45,579
suburb not very far from the center of

947
00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:47,829
the city really but in 1980 there was

948
00:41:53,219 --> 00:41:50,200
certainly more open land there we read

949
00:41:55,529 --> 00:41:53,229
on where the reputations of a group of

950
00:41:57,769 --> 00:41:55,539
water diviners are left looking a little

951
00:42:00,239 --> 00:41:57,779
tattered attracted by an offer of

952
00:42:02,489 --> 00:42:00,249
$40,000 ten grand from each of the

953
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:02,499
skeptics Randy Smith Philip Adams and

954
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:04,569
Richard Carlton the dowsers had to

955
00:42:10,019 --> 00:42:06,910
identify gold and brass hidden in

956
00:42:12,499 --> 00:42:10,029
cardboard boxes and which out of ten

957
00:42:14,759 --> 00:42:12,509
pipes had water flowing through it

958
00:42:19,799 --> 00:42:14,769
before the experiment most said they

959
00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:19,809
would be 100% successful five agreed to

960
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:21,369
split the proceeds they were so

961
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:24,660
confident in this case seeing is

962
00:42:29,789 --> 00:42:27,190
disbelieving the results are no better

963
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:29,799
than chance or guesswork and Randy

964
00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:30,670
declares quote

965
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:33,160
it would seem to indicate that dowsing

966
00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:35,290
as a force does not exist

967
00:42:40,530 --> 00:42:37,840
end quote does this shake the faith of

968
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:40,540
our dowsers not a bit they come up with

969
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:43,410
every excuse Under the Sun including

970
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:47,790
sunspots to explain away this rare lapse

971
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:51,670
people Randi concludes sadly simply will

972
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:54,490
not learn a lesson and now to illustrate

973
00:42:59,340 --> 00:42:55,930
some of our what we've been chatting

974
00:43:02,280 --> 00:42:59,350
about some of those reports here is a TV

975
00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:02,290
news report made the day after the

976
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:07,080
famous Don Lane and James Randi incident

977
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:09,670
Don Lane show involving Canadian

978
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:11,710
magician James Randi during the

979
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:13,900
interview Don Lane clashed angrily with

980
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:17,230
mr. Andy Biggs so you see this is the

981
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:18,310
interview that had most of Australia

982
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:20,950
talking today Canadian magician James

983
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:22,330
Randi has written a number of books

984
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:24,460
claiming people who profess to have

985
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:26,650
supernatural powers such as spoon bender

986
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:27,280
uri geller

987
00:43:32,490 --> 00:43:29,710
and medium Doris Stokes are nothing more

988
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:32,500
than magicians themselves you go against

989
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:33,910
the lady like Doris Stokes who never

990
00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:35,350
harmed anybody in her whole life and you

991
00:43:39,390 --> 00:43:37,360
call her a charlatan a fake you know you

992
00:43:41,310 --> 00:43:39,400
sit deliver yes I do you said that she

993
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:41,320
was a liar on the radio you called her a

994
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:41,890
liar

995
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:44,140
no and that woman would lie to anybody

996
00:43:47,370 --> 00:43:45,490
but I don't know whether she's right or

997
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:47,380
wrong I would she would lie too nobody

998
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:56,140
Don stormed off the set this morning he

999
00:44:00,100 --> 00:43:57,800
offered a public apology for using bad

1000
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:00,110
language but he maintained his behavior

1001
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:02,780
towards Randy was correct what other

1002
00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:05,030
program has he gone on where he has been

1003
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:07,070
really challenged by anyone either

1004
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:08,830
verbally or any other way

1005
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:11,360
asking him what what are you talking

1006
00:44:14,050 --> 00:44:12,650
about where is the proof I said where's

1007
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,060
the proof he says I got film I said

1008
00:44:19,570 --> 00:44:15,920
where's the film says not here any

1009
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:19,580
regrets about the incident no I I don't

1010
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,670
have any regrets at all I've said

1011
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:24,560
publicly and and to the staff as well

1012
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:27,350
the the release that we put out was and

1013
00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:29,960
perfectly willing to have the man on the

1014
00:44:35,950 --> 00:44:32,660
program and I will publicly apologize to

1015
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:35,960
him if he can prove that what he's

1016
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:37,940
saying is right if he shows us some sort

1017
00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:39,410
of documentary proof other than just

1018
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:41,030
bringing his mouth into this country and

1019
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:42,560
running around making a big deal out of

1020
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:45,710
himself denigrating everybody inside Don

1021
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:49,690
Lane died a few years back now but since

1022
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:52,850
1980 in several occasions he actually

1023
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:56,330
made a more formal apology to James

1024
00:45:00,610 --> 00:44:58,190
Randi and I think James Randi accepted

1025
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:00,620
that it's certainly given James Randi a

1026
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:03,710
tall tale to tell for many many many

1027
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:06,650
many years now since that that famous

1028
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:09,650
incident but there you go there are a

1029
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:12,890
swag of reports a grab-bag of reports

1030
00:45:18,820 --> 00:45:16,040
from 1980 revolving James Randy's visit

1031
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:18,830
to Australia primarily to conduct the

1032
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:21,530
water divining tests and I'm so pleased

1033
00:45:25,420 --> 00:45:23,360
that dick Smith at the time had the

1034
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:25,430
nouse to Commission a video to be made

1035
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:28,430
of it a TV special and of course that

1036
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:32,420
the trip was probably in fact definitely

1037
00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:34,370
more well known in Australian television

1038
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,590
history for the spat that Don Lane had

1039
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:39,240
with James Randi live on air

1040
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:40,950
[Music]

1041
00:45:58,770 --> 00:45:43,750
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1042
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1044
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1050
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:41,050
I'm here at the Madame frou frou cafe in

1051
00:46:44,340 --> 00:46:43,330
glee with Maynard Tim Ferguson Louise

1052
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:44,350
hello everybody

1053
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,420
there may not until we're just doing a

1054
00:46:51,090 --> 00:46:48,640
bunga bunga podcast recording the

1055
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:51,100
award-winning may not podcast and I said

1056
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,780
to the skeptic zone listeners I'd update

1057
00:46:56,670 --> 00:46:54,640
them as to what may not have been up to

1058
00:46:59,220 --> 00:46:56,680
since winning the award may not what's

1059
00:47:01,290 --> 00:46:59,230
it like to be the winner of that award

1060
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:01,300
well look at Tim and I have been doing

1061
00:47:05,250 --> 00:47:03,190
what we call a victory lap some people

1062
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:05,260
could call it some potentially

1063
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:07,780
borderline illegal exposure but what are

1064
00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:09,370
we doing I've been pushing you around

1065
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,620
glebe here and here we've been waving to

1066
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:13,690
people we've been just going hello with

1067
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:15,850
bibs that we've won the castaway award

1068
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:17,650
as we walk past them and they go what

1069
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:19,510
that doesn't say yeah that's right we

1070
00:47:23,370 --> 00:47:21,850
won the castaway award and all of my

1071
00:47:25,590 --> 00:47:23,380
friends are very impressed they didn't

1072
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:25,600
think bunga bunga was a thing but as

1073
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,700
soon as you win a prize is like also

1074
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:29,560
it's an actual it's an actual thing

1075
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:31,840
that's like my dad suddenly Moulton

1076
00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:33,670
suddenly my dad's all in with podcasting

1077
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:34,900
because we won an award and I let him

1078
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:37,180
put it on his mantelpiece yeah we're the

1079
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,090
first with the first to win an award for

1080
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:43,180
doing what we do mmm yes and what we're

1081
00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:44,950
not quite sure but we're obviously going

1082
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:47,500
places with this Richard I would expect

1083
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:49,390
we could be going as far as Taylor and

1084
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:50,990
Bend summer like that

1085
00:47:56,380 --> 00:47:53,720
well what I like may not is the fact

1086
00:47:59,380 --> 00:47:56,390
that there was the inaugural castaway

1087
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,390
Awards yes and the very first award was

1088
00:48:03,609 --> 00:48:01,970
bunga bunga Planet may not and you were

1089
00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:03,619
the very first person in the history of

1090
00:48:05,830 --> 00:48:04,790
the wards to get up there and accept

1091
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:05,840
award that was pretty cool

1092
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:08,510
yes yes and I only libeled I think six

1093
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:11,270
people six people in under a minute I I

1094
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:13,550
thank Tim as part of the the Holy

1095
00:48:16,750 --> 00:48:15,290
Trinity I think you were the the the

1096
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,760
father would some not you might have

1097
00:48:21,550 --> 00:48:19,280
been the holy ghost look I was in there

1098
00:48:24,670 --> 00:48:21,560
like Flynn I just can't remember who was

1099
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:24,680
who do is all happening at once look yes

1100
00:48:28,330 --> 00:48:26,690
and so I mean also Tim's under a bit of

1101
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:28,340
an injury cloud - you must understand

1102
00:48:31,630 --> 00:48:30,410
the moment Richard because some he was

1103
00:48:33,970 --> 00:48:31,640
sitting at home another night and I

1104
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:33,980
texted him something I texted him UK

1105
00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:37,910
election called and Tim you thought well

1106
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:39,470
I thought there was a punch line coming

1107
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:41,930
so I sat back and relaxed for at least

1108
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:44,270
whatever now maybe half an hour cuz I

1109
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:47,480
was thinking UK election called you know

1110
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:50,090
they want your bowtie back although he's

1111
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:51,650
some kind of punchline but it turns out

1112
00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:54,950
that the UK election had been called no

1113
00:48:59,170 --> 00:48:57,800
bowtie needed and as as I mentioned

1114
00:49:00,310 --> 00:48:59,180
earlier in Banga Banga House said would

1115
00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:00,320
you be when you've got to get your

1116
00:49:04,570 --> 00:49:03,080
current affairs news from me Tim well

1117
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:04,580
yeah when you send me that thing why did

1118
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:06,410
the chicken cross the road I assumed it

1119
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:10,250
was rhetorical yeah so so basically we

1120
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,410
are making out like bandits is the

1121
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,760
answer to the what we've been done since

1122
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:15,440
we won the castaway award and thank you

1123
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:16,580
to yourself for all the filming on the

1124
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:18,740
night have a look on the castaway Awards

1125
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:20,540
a Facebook page because I did lots of

1126
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:21,850
red carpet interviews with various

1127
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:24,109
podcasters from around Australia it's

1128
00:49:29,650 --> 00:49:25,970
quite a record isn't it you on the red

1129
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,660
carpet i we shot almost an hour of video

1130
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:31,760
in the end which was quite something

1131
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:33,230
especially since i was doing with a

1132
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:35,780
makeshift rig and an iphone but it

1133
00:49:40,540 --> 00:49:37,670
worked very well so I'll put a link to

1134
00:49:42,430 --> 00:49:40,550
those interviews in the show notes

1135
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:42,440
but again and I know you do this in

1136
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:44,090
bunga bunga and I certainly do it in the

1137
00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:45,470
skin exam we thank the people who

1138
00:49:49,210 --> 00:49:47,510
support the show that's right and by the

1139
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:49,220
way you're listening to the skeptic Sam

1140
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:52,160
right now why not hit the tin get onto

1141
00:49:56,260 --> 00:49:54,650
patreon just sling Richard a dollar or

1142
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:56,270
two or something just to help the show

1143
00:49:58,930 --> 00:49:58,220
out because this guy's doing it day in

1144
00:50:00,940 --> 00:49:58,940
day out

1145
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:00,950
he's got kittens to feed

1146
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,530
well they're big cats now but yes that

1147
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,640
cat food ain't cheap

1148
00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:06,680
exactly he's got plastic boxes to buy

1149
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:07,820
for them you've got all sorts of

1150
00:50:10,990 --> 00:50:09,410
expensive things haven't you or they're

1151
00:50:12,609 --> 00:50:11,000
the interns for the skeptics and they do

1152
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:12,619
most of the work in fact Henrietta

1153
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,390
reward you because as you heard this the

1154
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:15,680
march for science would have been on

1155
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:17,210
marching for science I'm not quite sure

1156
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:19,010
which branch of science I'm going to be

1157
00:50:24,609 --> 00:50:21,530
marching for I thought maybe geology be

1158
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:24,619
kind of cool I don't know but know what

1159
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:26,060
branch of science would you March foot

1160
00:50:30,849 --> 00:50:28,790
Tim oh man it's got to be the table of

1161
00:50:33,339 --> 00:50:30,859
elements because it's not here forever

1162
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:33,349
it's just periodic so why we've got it I

1163
00:50:36,819 --> 00:50:35,210
reckon we just celebrate it and then

1164
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:36,829
we'll just push it off in a little boat

1165
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:41,119
and yeah and say well Carbon who knew

1166
00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:43,730
would be a thing let's hear it for

1167
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:46,760
gallium yeah gallium girl gallium always

1168
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:50,980
giving and Alif idiom why isn't it there

1169
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:54,170
so folks it's it's the award-winning

1170
00:50:57,310 --> 00:50:56,210
Maynard and Tim Ferguson from the Banga

1171
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:57,320
Banga bang caste but congratulations

1172
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:01,070
both of you an award is great and thank

1173
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:02,240
you for your help with her to there

1174
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:03,800
Richard oh no we we now return you to

1175
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,540
your normal programming after a word

1176
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:08,000
from Tim Ferguson a friend of mine had a

1177
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:11,060
girlfriend who came up and looked at the

1178
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,220
periodic table of elements in his

1179
00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:16,400
kitchen and peered at and said where's

1180
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:19,880
energy except allah it's not there she

1181
00:51:24,819 --> 00:51:22,430
said Ben Energy's really simple it's a

1182
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:24,829
combination of those elements now it's

1183
00:51:29,339 --> 00:51:27,610
not and that's how she became single a

1184
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,349
[Music]

1185
00:51:59,950 --> 00:51:32,800
warning from history from Tim Ferguson

1186
00:52:04,820 --> 00:52:02,540
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1187
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:04,830
zone and I'm very excited and I hope I

1188
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,870
can see some skeptics and fans at the

1189
00:52:11,260 --> 00:52:08,880
North East Conference of science and

1190
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:11,270
skepticism a bit later on at the end of

1191
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:14,700
June end of June beginning of July have

1192
00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:17,610
never been to New York and I've never

1193
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,260
been to I think the furthest the

1194
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:23,880
furthest east I've been in the United

1195
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:26,730
States would be Atlanta Georgia I think

1196
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,380
many years ago when I used to go to the

1197
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:30,480
Dragon Con convention but that's all

1198
00:52:36,530 --> 00:52:33,330
many weeks away coming up next week on

1199
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:36,540
the skeptics own well it's up to a more

1200
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:38,370
dannhenry out of the interns I'll ask

1201
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:42,410
them what would what sort of skeptical

1202
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:47,160
topics with interest pussycats somehow

1203
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:50,790
they're not telling me I think they're

1204
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:53,970
skeptical about everything in fact I

1205
00:52:59,660 --> 00:52:55,410
think coming up next we will probably

1206
00:53:02,930 --> 00:52:59,670
have a report of the skeptics in the pub

1207
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:02,940
night with our with our chiropractor

1208
00:53:09,230 --> 00:53:04,980
giving us a lecture that should be very

1209
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,240
interesting and hopefully if I if I can

1210
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,800
track him down we might even have a chat

1211
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:12,960
to James Randi at least soon at least

1212
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,990
soon I hope but for this week this is

1213
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:18,000
Richard Saunders Morden Henrietta who

1214
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:20,310
have disappeared once again signing off

1215
00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:28,040
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1216
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:31,860
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00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:34,800
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1226
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,280
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1227
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:01,200
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1228
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:03,420
and not necessarily those of Australian

1229
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:06,300
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1230
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:17,430
organization you're still in New Mexico

1231
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:20,850
I take it in I am I am is my audio okay

1232
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:23,430
yes it's very good where exactly are you

1233
00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:25,290
in New Mexico I'm just outside of

1234
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,360
Albuquerque as you would say it's uh

1235
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:30,180
we're probably best known for Bugs Bunny

1236
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:36,510
and Breaking Bad I knew I shoulda turn

1237
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:39,870
left of Albuquerque exactly uh yeah I

1238
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:43,050
guess same same cultural references we

1239
00:54:50,930 --> 00:54:48,150
know it hang on now recording okay let's

1240
00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:50,940
just wing it Ben see how we go oh we can

1241
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:52,620
kooler poor professionals at least at

1242
00:55:01,460 --> 00:54:57,140
least you are well I'm glad one of us is

1243
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,470
and joining me now all the way from that